Re: Ingvar and Ivar

From: tgpedersen@...
Message: 6153
Date: 2001-02-17

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> Of course the derivation works the other way round (I understand
it's just a banal slip, but let me straighten it out for the sake of
clarity): *xanxistaz > hestr and *xangistaz > Hengst. Thanks,
Torsten, it's a stimulating idea. Vernerian alternations between
etymologically related Germaic words are not unheard-of: German
Hase : English hare, for example, or Gothic aihan : OHG eigan, OE
a:gen 'to own'. The question is whether Ing (*ingWaz) is a word of
this type, derived from hypothetical *inxWás (pre-Germanic *enkWós?)
via Verner's Law. If so, a possible [- Verner] variant would have
yielded *inxWaz > *i:hWaz > hypothetical Gothic *eihs, OE *e:oh, OHG
*îh, Runic *îhwaR, ON *ýr.
> Now what's really uncanny about this conjectural reconstruction is
that it looks for all the world like the problematic name of the
thirteenth rune, usually glossed as "bow" or "yew", though the
actual 'yew' word should not have any medial aitches (< PIE *ei-wo-)
and despite being a near-homophone of the name of the rune has
slightly different attested reflexes (OE i:w/e:ow [m.], OHG îwa).
> I think this idea is worth pursuing. It would give us Ingvar = Ivar
plus a novel hypothesis about the name of Rune 13. Any guesses about
*énkWos ~ *enkWós?
> Piotr
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen@...
> To: cybalist@...
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:03 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Ingvar and Ivar
> What we need is a Gmc. alternation ng/nothing. The one that comes
to my mind is *hang-ist-(>Scand. hest- "horse")/*hanh-ist-(>German
Hengst "stallion"). A g/h (Verner?) alternation?

Always glad to be of service. But can we conclude from the existence
of such a Verner-alternating pair that they both came from a stress-
alternating single word? This is routinely done for verbs, but this
new-fangled idea of stress-alternating PIE nouns (after my time at
uni) seems not to be quite accepted as the standard explanation for
eg. Hase/hare?