Re: [tied] Re: etruscan

In 1970 young prince Vladimir was sent to rule Novgorod together with
his uncle Dobrinya. However, he ran from Novgorod in fear of his older
brother Yaropolk who had just killed in Kiev their other brother Oleg in
internecine war in 977. Vladimir went for help to the neighboring Varyagi
Vikings) and returned back to Novgorod with their army in 980.
Together they captured Kiev, killed Yaropolk, and Vladimir married
Yaropolk's bride - Rodnega. He became the Great Prince of Kiev.
The paganism could not create the necessary political or moral unity in
the state. Vladimir decided to introduce the monotheistic religion ( his
mother Olga was already Christian, baptized in Greece during one of her
visits). He studied thoroughly Judaism, Christianity and Islam. His choice
fell on Christianity; so, in 1988, he went to Korsun' (Khersones) where he
was baptized and got married to Anna. Upon his return, he gathered all the
population of Kiev by the river Dnepr to be baptized in his presence. All
idols were burnt or sunk.

AK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Torsten Pedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:07 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: etruscan


> --- In cybalist@egroups.com, "Torsten Pedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > It is well documented that the norse and danes during the viking
> > age
> > > ruled great parts of western europe. Norse kings ruled in
> Ireland,
> > > England, Isle of Man, Scotland and Normandie
> (Gangerolv/Rolv/Rollo).
> > > Snorre (13th century) tells of raids in the Mediterrinean sea,
> > Sicily,
> > > Africa, Spain etc. Archeology also shows that norse traded with
> > Roman
> > > Empire and Italy well before Christ. Read history.
> > >
> > > Morten
> >
> > Which is all true and not in conflict with what I said, so why get
> so
> > steamed up? Read the postings.
> >
> > Torsten
>
> Perhaps I should add why I think the eastern route through the rivers
> was the most important.
> There is a story from a North German chronicler of the conquest of
> the Wend lands. The Germans have caught a Wend pirate (they were much
> feared and caused much damage and loss of life also in Denmark). They
> asked him why he was a pirate? He began an impassioned speech that it
> was not of his own choosing, it was the only option left to him and
> his people in face of German aggression and expansion. So they strung
> him up.
> Which set me thinking: Why did the Scandinavians choose piracy? it's
> a dangerous profession. And why did they suddenly burst forth in a
> great number of ships, in several rounds, e.g. 980? Since there was
> no central government, there can't have been a "fleet construction
> program", and nothing points in that direction. So the ships must
> have been there already.
> So I came up with a tentative scenario: There is a large number of
> vessels used by boat organizations (20-30 men, that's how they used
> to do it) trading on the Baltic and on the Eastern River Routes to
> the Black Sea etc. Suddenly, for political reasons, that passage is
> closed. What do you do? Starve or try to trade west. But if they
> don't want your wares? Steal and rob.
> To test this scenario, does anyone of you (Sergei?) know of any
> sudden political change e.g. in Kievan Rus (new Slavonymic tsar?)
> taking place in 980?
>
> Torsten
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