Re: Venice Beach

From: s.tarasovas@...
Message: 5355
Date: 2001-01-07

--- In, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> In the 4th c. BC Celtic settlers appeared in southern Poland,
>bringing La Tene traditions with them. They were soon followed by
>the Germani: the Bastarnae and the Skiri migrated towards Ukraine
>and Moldova, and from the end of the 3rd c. BC onwards the Celtic-
>influenced but predominantly Germanic (Vandalic) Lugian federation,
>associated with the Przeworsk culture, established itself in the
>Polish lowlands (except for the Baltic coast, dominated by other
>Germanic tribes, precursors of the Goths).

According to what I've read on the topic thus far, the Przeworsk
culture is associated just with Proto-Slavs (and is considered
ancestor of the 'Prague pottery'-subcultures). My sources go heretic?

>What's certain is that the Germanic inhabitants of Poland began to
>apply the name "Wened/Winid" to their *new* eastern neighbours --
>the Slavs living east of the Przeworsk cultural area.

It seems poor Slavs were quite often named according to the
pattern 'new X'. Compare Lith. gu`das 'Byelorussian;=of new those
from the south' < 'Goth' <(pre-cons. shift Germanic) guda-.

>Note that as far as is known no Slavs have ever applied that name to

One of the etymologies of Old Russian V'atichi 'nom. prop. of a
tribe' has it as: < *ve,t-itj-i and connects this *ve,t-<*vent- with
at least Jordanes' Venethae. Note also that, according to toponymic
(Moscow district and area west of Moscow), annalistic and some other
evidence V'atichi where of Lechitian, West Slavic origin.
Other etymology derives this 'tribonym' from Common Slavic *ve,t-
'great, many, strong' (cf. OCS ve,s^tI 'great').