Re: [tied] Re: etruscan

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 5228
Date: 2000-12-30

I've seen this thursa = turs-eno- equation somewhere, possibly in one of Theo Venneman's papers. It does seem to fit phonetically, the question is only how plausible it is in other respects. The Germani did absorb some cultural influence radiating from Northern Italy -- one very clear example is the Runic script, which derives from "North Etruscan" alphabets (used also by non-Tyrrhenian peoples such as the Veneti).
 
These placename resemblances are most likely coincidental, given that Germanic *-ind-/*-and-/*-und- can be etymologised using normal IE resources (< *-(e/o)nt-ó-, as in present participles).
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Torsten Pedersen
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 12:10 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: etruscan

I have a question here regarding Etruscan/Lemnian:

  Is ON thursa "troll" related to the "tyrsenoi"? Phonetically, it
seems to fit. Other "minor supernatural beings" have been
tentatively´identified with pre-IE peoples.

  As is well-known, there is number of place-names
in Greece, ending in -inthos, -unthos, -ssos, which are
considered Pre-Greek, possibly Anatolian. Subtract ending
and we get -inth-, -unth-, -ss-.

  Certain place names in Denmark,
mostly of islands and peninsulas, are
considered pre-IE, at least pre-Germanic.

      Old Name            Present Name

      Lavind              Langeland

      Borgund             Born-holm
      Ekund               Jegind-ø
      Selund              Sjælland (Zealand)
      Thund               Thun-ø

      Sams                Sams-ø
      Mors                id.
      Mols                id.
      Als                 id.

So we have here endings -ind, -und, -s. Coincidence?

  Amber has been found in Bronze Age shipwrecks in the Mediterranean,
so you can't argue that the two places were isolated from each other.
Is there some weird connection?

    Regards
    Torsten Pedersen