Re: [tied] More on the crummy sanguis/asrk connection

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 5061
Date: 2000-12-15

I can't see in what way these two are supposed to be parallel. The alternation *-(e)n-/*-r in *negWHr- is restricted to the word-final element. But in your hypothetical **h1esh2-r-gW- we have a stem-internal alternation, and **h1sh2-an-gW-en- contains an extra *-en (in addition to the one that alternates with *-r-) not found in inguen- (which is an uncontroversial zero-derivative of *ngWH-en-).
 
As for the derivation being obvious, that's certainly an exaggerated claim. Truth to tell, what sanguis and *h1esh2r- tangibly share is just the consonant *s. The rest is speculation. No evidence exists to remedy the circularity of reconstructing the -k in asrk as *-gW. Even in Sanskrit, the Gen. is asnas rather than *sangas(?) or whatever else one might expect given the Latin "oblique stem". Hittite preserves this "blood" word better than any other IE language, but shows no trace of *-gW:
 
eshar, Gen. eshanas; eshan-ant- 'blood'
eshar-nu(-mai)- 'make bloody'
esharwant- 'red'
eshanuwant- 'bloodstained'
 
etc.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] More on the crummy sanguis/asrk connection

... Lat. <sanguis>, <sanguinis> is obviously an -en-derivative from the *oblique* stem of *h1ésh2rgw.  That is, *h1sh2ángw- + -en-.  Cf. a similar case in inguen, inguinis "groin" from *neghwr, *nghwen- "kidney, testicle" (Grk. thematized <nephros>, OHG <nioro>, n-derivation from the non-oblique stem).