Re: [tied] PIE *h3 and PPIE **n

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 5057
Date: 2000-12-14

Miguel, resisting all substantiation for his extraterrestrial claims,
states:

>Apparently, you don't know much about the "competent literature". The
>PIE forms are *su(:)nus [with short /u/ in Gmc. *sunus] and >*su(:)ius.
>[the /u/ is short in Grk. hui�s, and was replaced by /o/ >in Tocharian].

Miguel, you make simplistic, outlandish claims and then expect everyone to
take your word for it without questioning. Even Einstein was questioned and
continues to be to this day for his ideas. I see no need why you should be
defensive if your claim is as strong as you pretend it is. Afterall, it
would appear that you are very well-read, no doubt, and in arm's reach of
many questionable resources. However, what you're saying appears for all the
world to be the "word-splicing game" times three, a game that is not
respected by most level-headed etymologists.

If you can succinctly show me how *su:ius is to be divided up in a
grammatically satisfying way, I may begin to listen to your plea. We all
know that *sux- (*su:-) is a verb stem of course. What is **-iu- supposed to
be? You have already wasted many posts in avoiding to explain this and this
fact lowers my respect for your ideas even more.
Is it to be divided as **-i-u-? If so, what is the meaning of **-i- in this
context? If not, what is the purpose of the suffix *-yu-? And while
explaining, show examples in more than two IE languages (that is, more than
just your usual Tocharian and Armenian) proving your grammatical usage of
this termination.

I plead with you, Miguel. Please, from now on substantiate _in full_ what
you claim instead of feeding the List pieces of an underdevelopped idea and
disguising it as "mainstream".

As for *em-, *nem- and *yem- being phonetically connectable to **n^ and that
this is another "mainstream" view... it is clear that you are not brave
enough to list the authors of these works for us, nor are you able to list
the minimal pairs that are necessary to give any sort of credence to your
views. Therefore, there is no reason to consider any of it.

And, within the bounds of the typically resistant character that is Miguel,
it is most interesting to note that he has, as of yet, not shown clear
examples of "tri-splitting" in action to avoid the cutting mockery of my
defiant tone.

A bunch of claims, no substantiation... you be the judge. :P

- gLeN

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