Re: [tied] Catching up again...

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 4739
Date: 2000-11-15

I assume you really propose *h3 > Pre-Germanic *g > Germanic *k. All the forms you quote are problematic:
(1)  *daHiw(e)r- > *daiHwr- requires an ad hoc metathesis.
(2)  The Gothic word for "quick/alive" is qius, and the other Germanic forms (OE cwicu, etc.), even if they are not NW Germanic innovations, may be explained in less exotic ways, e.g. as reflecting a reduplicated deverbal adjective (root clipping is a frequent feature of such formations).
(3)  "You two" is evidently analogical (influenced by "us two", hence the nasal), and "us two" doesn't match attested forms in other branches well enough for the reconstruction *nh3- as the ancestor of *unk- to be valid. BTW, how would you explain the OCS Nom.du. vE 'we two' < *we:?
Since you do not specify the environment in which this particular form of Verschärfung applies, I don't know what your "etc." is supposed to mean. The change is apparently sporadic, and if so, any other sporadic fortition could be proposed instead, e.g. *w > *g (strengthening of the velar component), so that *daiwer- > *daiger- (as in Arm. taygr) > OE ta:cor. Same problems, of course, but fewer ad hoc assumptions (no metathesis).
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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Catching up again...

Another piece of evidence: Gothic du. oblique pronouns <ugkis> "us
two", <igqis> "you two", with Germanic *k < *Hw as in "quick"
(*gwih3wos), *taikur "wife's brother" (*daHiwr ~ *daiHwr-), etc.