Re: [tied] Re: IE & linguistic complexity

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 4571
Date: 2000-11-03

Any explanation based on anecdotal "evidence" rather than empirical findings is a priori suspect. The occurrence of "regional phonologies" is a familiar but irritatingly neglected phenomenon. It deserves a lot more attention that it's received so far, also because it is of serious relevance to the discussion of "areal versus genetic". It would be a good idea to compile an inventory of such areal traits and map them -- e.g. to see if they can be aligned with anything interesting. Are they biologically based? I dunno.
 
As for IE curiosities, we have for instance the special status of /sp/, /st/ and /sk/, which tend to behave (in phonotactic terms) like single segments. They may be root-initial and syllable-initial. In English, for example, they can combine with liquids word-initially, forming the only acceptable CCC onsets in the language (splash, street, scratch), /st/ occurs freely in grammatical morphemes and root-finally after long vowels (roast, paste, feast), and in OE poetry each cluster alliterates as an indivisible whole (streamas styredon, whereas alliterations like st... s... or st... sp... are ruled out -- no normal clusters behave like this, e.g. t... tr... or even s... sn... are OK). On the peripheries of Indo-Europia they show typologically unmarked behaviour (substratal influence?), e.g. prothesis with resyllabification (sT > esT) in western Romance (a few weeks ago I heard English-espeaking guides in Spain refer consistently to "estone", "esquare" and "Espain", which proves that the process remains productive AD 2000); even Hittite seems to have developed a prothetic vowel (sT > isT). Cf. Hungarian sT > iST (S = "sh", spelt <s>) in loanwords from IE languages.
 
Though exceptional treatment of sT clusters is not completely unknown in other families, it is nevertheless extremely rare and therefore typologically odd, almost like the South African clicks or the Australian lack of fricatives, or the survival of breathy stops in India.
 
Piotr
----- Original Message -----
From: John Croft
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:53 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: IE & linguistic complexity

On a related point, my lecturer in Aboriginal linguistics at the
University of Western Australia in 1970 claimed that the loss of
frictives and sibilants from Aboriginal Languages was due to the
widespread condition of Yaws, which leads to a constant sub-auditory
hiss, making these phonemes inaudible.  I tend to be suspeicious of
his explanation but would be interested in what people on this list
think.  Can phonemes change for this kind of reason?  Are there any
PIE examples?  (*TH, *DH for example).