Re: [tied] Re: First iron swords on mass scale

Michal Milewski wrote:

> Steve Woodson wrote:
>
> > It has been suggested that the 'face urns' were Illyrian (or Bastarnae,
> > or both) when they were living north of the Carpathians, east of the Oder.
> > Their migrations can then be followed by the spreading south of the urns.
>
> The Face Urns in northern Poland appeared much later (550-200 BC). Also, the face
> urns in Etruscan culture (c. 800-500 BC) could not precede the Urnfield culture,
> that started about 1200 BC. I would rather say that the Face Urns were a local
> continuation of Urnfield (Illyrian?) culture (although I' m not sure about their
> relations with Etruscans). As for the Bastarnae, I thought they were a German
> tribe that moved from Nothern Germany toward the southeastern Europe (in about
> 400 BC) and settled in the Dniester valley. They probably had many contacts with
> Urnfield people (as well as with Scythians), but does anybody know whether any
> archeological findings are associated with their presence?
>
> Michal
>

Yes, you are correct that the Bastarnae are considered a Germanic people. What
I was trying to say that what I have read is there is uncertanity as to wheather the
urns were Illyrian, Bastarnae, or both (or neither!). One thought is they may have
traveled together or even became a mixed people. Bastarnae may be cognate with
bastard.
I must admit that I'm close to getting in over my head and trusting in my
references.
Steve