Re: [tied] Re: First iron swords on mass scale

Michal Milewski wrote:

> John Croft wrote:
>
> > The Dorian movements are commonly believed to have occurred in two
> > waves. The first from Thesally to Epirus (around Dodona). A second
> > from Dodona to the Pelopponnese. The first may have been prompted by
> > raids (Thracians) south from Thrace. The second by the Illyrian
> > expansion (The Illyrian Dardana seem to have given their name to
> > Dodona - a temple of Zeus venerated in Greece just behind that of
> > Olympus). There was thus no contact between Hittites and Dorians at
> > all. I would suspect that the Dorians got their knowledge of iron
> > from the Illyrians. Whether there is a word for iron in Illyrian
> > that has survived, I don't know.
>
> This again is an interesting view. What do you know about the relationship
> between the Illyrians and the Urn Field Culture? How did the early Illyrian
> graves look like?
>
> Michal
>

It has been suggested that the 'face urns' were Illyrian (or Bastarnae,
or both) when they were living north of the Carpathians, east of the Oder.
Their migrations can then be followed by the spreading south of the urns.
Steve