Re: [tied] Re: Black Sea

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 4275
Date: 2000-10-12

John Croft wrote:
<> I suspect that there are many overlays to these myths. Ultimately, I
> believe, there are vague memories of lands lost beneath the sea as a
> result of the melting of the Ice, from the last Ice Age. Of course
> at such a time span this is also impossble to prove.>

I agree with you.

> Some have seen a consistent error in Plato's account. He is clearly
> describing a Bronze Age culture beyond the Pillars of Hercules. And
> yet he sets it 9,000 years earlier. It has been suggested that this
> results from an Egyptian scribal error - the hieroglyphics for 900
> could be read for 9,000. Furthermore, it has been suggested that the
> ancient name for Crete (Keftiu) actually means "Pillar". Biblical
> tradition mentions that the Philistines massed in Crete before coming
> as Peoples of the Sea to invade Egypt.

I think Egyptian would never confuse Crete with an legendary Atlantis.
Although Atlas was a Greek god, the Atlantis prince Atlas was a totally
different character. Atlantis Atlas was son of Poseidon. It's interesting to
quote that Plato cites native names and Greek translation for the ten kings
of Atlantis. So, Gadeiros was translated as Eumelos ("good singer"?). A clue
to find out the Atlantis language?

Joao SL
Rio

----- Original Message -----
From: John Croft <jdcroft@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:03 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Black Sea


> João wrote:
> > Well, the Atlantis myth exists literally only in Greece, but we
> don''t know
> > if the sources of Plato was Greek - he stated they were Egyptian.
>
> Yes he claims it came via Solon, the Athenian Law Giver, an ancestor
> of his, from a priest at Heliopolis. Despite this Atlantis has a
> good Aegean feel to the name (-nt-s) being a pre-Greek place name
> marker from the Caucasas to Italy. Atla- also fits into Atlas, and
> is found in such names as Atalanta of Calydon.
>
> I have an unprovable theory that Atalantoi was the name the People of
> the Sea gave to themselves (tala = thalassa (Sea)). Thus the fact
> that the Egyptians called tem People of the Sea, I believe, may have
> been a translation into Egyptian, of what they called themselves.
>
> Mind you, they also had a whole range of ethnic names too that the
> Egyptians were good at remembering - which suggests that whatever
> they called themselves they we a coalition of many peoples. This is
> what Plato himself hints at when he suggests that they had ten kings
> (whose names he gives).
>
> Some have seen a consistent error in Plato's account. He is clearly
> describing a Bronze Age culture beyond the Pillars of Hercules. And
> yet he sets it 9,000 years earlier. It has been suggested that this
> results from an Egyptian scribal error - the hieroglyphics for 900
> could be read for 9,000. Furthermore, it has been suggested that the
> ancient name for Crete (Keftiu) actually means "Pillar". Biblical
> tradition mentions that the Philistines massed in Crete before coming
> as Peoples of the Sea to invade Egypt.
>
> One interesting thing about Platos account is that it states that
> only Egypt and Athens survived the disruption caused by the
> Atlantians. It is also an interesting fact that only Athens and
> Egypt resisted the disruption of the Peoples of te Sea. Only in
> these two areas did the Late Bronze Age culture survive.
>
> Whatever the truth about Atlantis it is clear that Plato intended to
> write more on the subject, but never did. The story of Atlantis was
> composed while the philosopher was at the court of the king of
> Syracuse, which was then engaged in a struggle with Carthage. Some
> have seen an analogy between Carthage and Atlantis. Graves even
> makes out that the Atlantians came from Libyan or Berber tribes
> living close to the Atlas mountains.
>
> Joao continues
> > Similar
> > legends of sinking lands are present in Celts (Ys, Lyonesse, Hy
> Brazil, etc)
> > and India (Rutas). The Flood myth occurs in Greece, India,
> Lithuania,
> > Scandinavia, Ireland, and in many non-IE people all around the
> world.
>
>
> Regards
>
> John
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