Re: [tied] Re: horses

From: Gerry Reinhart-Waller
Message: 4202
Date: 2000-10-10

Piotr, Thanks for the review article of Late Prehistoric Exploitation of the Eurasian Steppe.  Chapter 2 by Marsha Levine on horse domestication was most interesting and somewhat alarming in that most of the information runs counter to that included in the Alekseev Manuscript Lecture 6.  As well, Ms. Levine cites riding injuries on a small sample of horse skeletal material from Ak-Alaka(h).  I, along with Raisa Tarasova, translated Polosmak's site report from Ak-Alaka and Kuturguntis and  nowhere do I recall mention of riding injuries in the original report.  Actually to Raisa's chagrin, we did a word for word translation of the site report.
 
The horse was considered a sacred animal by the Scythians (who have been known to have slept while riding) and the mention by Levine of horse meat used as food is contrary to Herodotus' reports on the Scythians and Alekseev's Lecture 6.  I am familiar with kumiss (fermented mare's milk) used as an intoxicating drug. 
 
Alarming also is Levine's debunking the warrior Kurgan Culture theory based on her interpretation that artifacts such as horse-head scepters or maces were not symbols of power because they were never found with evidence of horse domestication or horse-riding.  Frankly, I cannot figure out where Levine was going with the correlation between lack of symbols of power and horse domestication.  If scepters had been found along with domestic horses, would Levine have cried "Geronimo!".  And how did Levine expect to prove horse domestication in the archaeological record?
 
I did review the Dereivka taxon as provided on the web (Google search engine) and did not find mention of horse bones (I sent you the link earlier today); however, another web article by Andrew Gregnovich (the second link I sent) should help clarify the discrepancy.
 
Finally, do you have any idea why Levine used 5 oral histories she gathered from Steppe nomads between 1989 and 1992 to disprove Gimbutas' Kurgan Culture theory and Polosmak's archaeology at Ak-Alaka?  IMO, this smacks of a blatant attempt to do in the credibility of two archaeologists based on very shabby evidence.  What was Levine thinking of or hoping to attain? 
 
Before I contact Levine I need to research Botai as well as the Molyuknov Bugor taxon which I shall do shortly on Google.  Do you by chance know at which institution Marsha Levine is located or how I might be able to reach her?  Thank, Piotr.
 
Gerry Reinhart-Waller
Independent Scholar
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Gerry wrote: If anyone has any further information to add, I be most appreciative.  I'll post additional information in a second email.
 
Here's more on Dereivka and related sites -- a very interesting review:
 
http://www.csen.org/Articles_Reivews/Levine,%20et.al%20review/Levine.Review.html
 
Piotr