Re: [tied] The Black Sea Flood

Interesting link. I'd lost track of Jonathan Adams' pages.

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/Indo2.html

This link seems 'dated' even though papers from 1998 are mentioned. This paper ignores or is unaware of the Black Sea event, and the reality that it was a refugium, a huge lake of fresh water, undoubtedly with agriculture being practiced at the shore.

The cold event which ended 8200 ya is real enough of course, and would have sent the shivering people running south. This date, of course, is about the earliest I've seen mentioned for the falling-together of PIE, with 5500 and thereabouts being more popular. Were the Linear Band Pottery folk IE-speakers?

Mark.

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From: Piotr Gasiorowski

Subject: Re: [tied] The Black Sea Flood

Sorry, I meant the West Siberian megalake (between the Urals and the Central Siberian Plateau), the Old World analogue of Lake Agassiz, possibly twice the size of the modern Caspian. It extended as far east as the mouth of the Podkamenna Tunguska, and I vaguely recall seeing the name "Lake Tungus" or the like applied to (the eastern part of?) it.

Here is a very interesting reference:

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/lake.html

Piotr

Mark wrote:

Piotr here and elsewhere speaks of events in Central Asia at this time. Certainly, mountain top ice sheets were also collapsing. I don't know what is being spoken of, though, when he mentions Tung[u]s Lake.