The Ancient Gods; begining to explain...

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 4023
Date: 2000-09-23

I've already pointed my idea that PIE theogony perhaps included a first generation of old gods, a kind of Council of Ancients.
The godly families in IE myths usually have a composition like this: a "main"god, his children and his brothers and sisters.
My idea is that the "Family" was the Deiwo:s (Aesir-like), children of the Sky-Father. But who were the "Uncles" of the Deiwo:s?
Let's try...
I picked pairs of gods based upon Nordic pairs and try to compare them.
 
1) HOENIR and MI:MR.
 
They participated of Aesir-Vanir War. Hoenir "the faster god" and Mimr, who have his head severed, but mystically kept alive.
Severed heads were present at Bran, Daksha, Ganesha and Orpheus legends.
I compare the faster Hoenir with Savitr, the god of Moviment and Growing.
So, HOENIR-SAVITR & MIMR-DAKSHA.
Daksha was decapitated by Shiva, and he had many daughters to become wives of the Gods.
 
2) ODINN and MI:MR
Mimr also head other aspect, and maybe he mix two archaic gods; The Child of Waters. He had a Well, he ask for the eye of Odinn. Odinn absorbed the Dyeu- functions of Germanic *Tiuz. So, this pair is
*DYEU- P@... (Odinn-Dyau) and *AP-NEPO:T (Mimir-Apam Napat).
 
Apam Napat also have elements in Sea Giant Aegir, a shiny entity living underwater. I think Dyeu- married two daughters of Mimr-Daksha, *Dyu:ni:- and *Da:nu-, and begot the Deiwo:s and the Giants, respectively. Maybe he had more wives, to procreate other kinds of creatures.
 
3) BRHASPATI and SHUKRA
 
Brhaspati,  "the Priest of Devas", and Shukra or Kavi Ushanas, the "Priest of Asuras". Two Priest-Gods who help with his powers the Gods and the Giants, respectively.
Shukra, master of illusion, remembers the artisan of the Asuras, Ma:ya, and is alike Utgardloki, The Illusionist Giant that defeated Thorr. Maybe we can consider Utgardloki as a "doublet" of Loki, who appeared as Odin's brother or as a Fire Giant's son.  But, what's the Nordic equivalent of Brhaspati? Bragi, as a singer? (Brhaspati has the voice as his main power)
 
 
4) HOW MANY ARE THEM?
 
What's the number of Ancients? 7 as Rshis and Prajapatis? 6 as Titans? 6 as Kronos's children? I don't have a solid idea.