Re: Venus and Mars

Glen wrote> I'm sorry??! Do you have books where you live? Look at
one, please!
You must

> have at least an encyclopaedia at home, no?
>
> If we speak solely of Roman myth then, I still don't understand

your
claim.

> In Roman myth, Vulcan is the god of FIRE, metalworking and skilled
> craftwork. Vulcan liked to produce ARMOR and WEAPONS (aka WAR

tools). Vulcan

> married VENUS. Of course, Vulcan is based on Hephaestos (Greek god)

but this

> is still part of Roman myth nonetheless. Hephaestos was linked to

VULCANOES.

> What's inside vulcanoes? Lava, otherwise known as FIRE. Where does

this

> firey lava reside? Under the earth (aka UNDERWORLD).

Glen, Vulcan/Haephestos was a smith God, with cognates that go around
the IE world. Of course smiths worked with fire. Of course smiths
made weapons (along with cauldrons and other metal goods), and of
course weapons would be used in war, and of course war led to death,
which would lead to the underworld. By such chains of logic every
god
or goddess could be made into a God of the Underworld.

The association of Venus with Vulcan was copied from the Greeks.
Prior to that Venus was not associated as you suggest.

Regards

John

>
> Who do you think Vulcan-Hephaestos represents? Gee, well we have a

direct

> connections with VENUS, FIRE, WAR and the UNDERWORLD. Who could

that

> possibly be, I wonder? Could it be the god *PexwrGnnos, Fire-Born?

Neah,

> that's just too simple an idea to grasp at all, isn't it? It has to

be

> something more complex and obscure in order for Arkugal to respect

this as a

> valid point of view. There is no dispute here. You've lost this

arguement.

>
> Second, Venus truely DID have an extramarital love affair with

_Mars_, so I

> REALLY do not know what you're babbling about but it's very

misinformed at

> any rate. What I've mentioned is all Roman myth. So, what Latin

deities are

> _you_ refering to??
>
> Arkugal:
> >Now, you insist on arguing that in Semitic tradition this and

that,

>etc.,
> >but that is, literally, beside the point. You assume that the IE
> > >mythologies are determinated by the Semitic ones and that's

final. >Well,

> >all your statments are good indications that the Semitic
>influence

is far

> >less important than some people say. Because, in >fact, MARS and

VENUS are

> >two IE Latin Deities, and ASTARTE, and BAAL, >etc., are Semitic.

That's

> >all.
>
> You are clearly dillusional if you honestly believe that the Latin

deities

> are pure, native creations. They certainly derive from a proto-IE

set of

> myths because of the similarities amongst other beliefs of IE

speaking

> peoples.
>
> However, there are still a million and one connections between the

so-called

> proto-IE myths, which must by definition go back to around 4000 BCE

or so,

> and the myths of the MiddleEast even though names of these deities

will

> differ. The so-called IE *Tritos myth is clearly related to the

story of

> Marduk and Tiamat (aka Baal and Yam) across the ancient MiddleEast.

The

> association of a bull to the sky god as we find in IE myth is

another

> MiddleEastern concept and is not originally IE. And yet, for there

to have

> been a connection between IE and MiddleEastern belief, this

connection would

> have to have been pre-historic.
>
> I can bring up many direct IE-MiddleEastern connections, if you

like. There

> are certainly far too many clear connections in fact to support

your
insane

> viewpoint unless you enjoy being argumentative.
>
> - gLeN
>
>
>
>

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