Re: [tied] Re: Religion

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 3786
Date: 2000-09-17

John:
>There is little evidence of the effect of technologically Red Hot
>Balkans on the equally technologically Red Hot Mesopotamians of the
>same period

I'm sorry John, what period?? 7000 BCE? No. 6000 BCE? Maybe. 5000 BCE? You
may be right (but too late for the beginnings of SemitoEuropoid myth so too
bad for you). Do you think somehow that agriculture DIDN'T spread to Europe
from Anatolia at 6000 BCE?! This is evidence of Eurasian interaction in
itself! Don't be daft. Your emotional pleas are going on deaf ear.

John makes further cute quotes like the following:

>Glen, pre-exilic Sheol was not associated with the colour red.
>[...] The association with fire only came after contact with the Iranians.

>Baal was never a "God of the Underworld". Rather he was a weather
>god, (eg. "a thunderbolt weilder") son of El (Semitic father god).

What of Babylonian deity Nergal, the fire god, associated with Mars (the
fire star), king of the Underworld? Is he Iranian too then? Check out the
following link:

http://www.good.co.uk/oneworld/sumeria.html

It says that Baal truely _IS_ "the UNDERWORLD or mountain god, the son of El
or Dagon whose sister Anath was goddess of WAR but much later he was also
associated with the rain and fertility." He "declared that he would no
longer recognise the supremacy or authority of Mot (DEATH)" We have the
underworld, war and death, all in the same paragraph. I particularly like
the sentence later on saying, "When [Mot] refused [Anath] tore Mot limb from
limb with a knife, scattering his pieces and grinding him in a mill and
finally BURNING his remains in an OVEN" My god, looks like fire!!! The
relationship with fire may be one of cremation. This automatically creates
an association between fire and the underworld of the dead that Mot rules.

Gee. How might we blaim Mot, Baal AND Nergal with Sheol, all on our beloved
Iranians now, John? Do you know what you're talking about at all? And your
Iranian excuse only brings up another important question: "How the hell
would Iranian's have a fire myth at all if it weren't for the IndoEuropean
mythos and further why would the IEs have a firey underworld view at all if
the underworld was clearly watery??"
Nice try.

>Do tell. Monotheism was a creation of the Jewish religion only after
>the Babylonian captivity. Before then they were as polytheistic as
>the next person. No evidence of Monotheism in Akkadian, Eblaite,
>Canaanite or Aramaean areas Glen.

John, I clearly said time and time again already that the Semitoid religions
were NOT monotheistic. Only the Old European ones. Reread, my friend, get
out the glasses. And the Semitish didn't have to travel either because this
myth (like all information technology) radiates outwards naturally despite
human movement or linguisto-cultural identity.

>Come on Glen, please start talking about real research, based on
>evidence and sources rather than fanciful reconstructions based on
>god knows what (is Winnapeg too cold for Columbian crops?)

What would you know of Winnipeg? You can't even spell it properly :)

- gLeN


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