Re: [tied] Re: Dumezil, Trito and Athena: MY IE main Gods

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 3320
Date: 2000-08-20

Yes, RBHU and *ALF-. Let's see: The three Cyclopes was Arges "lightning", Brontes "thunder" and Sterops "thunderbolt". The three Rbhu was Rbhu "shining" , Vibhu "penetrating" and Vaja "strong".
This Triad of Artisans (not necessarily metal workers, maybe carpenters) was a PIE concept, different from the Eastern concept of an oly Artisan God , like Hephaistos, Kushor or Tvasht.r.
 
I think the faeries or "sylphides", air sprites, that included White Elves and Yakshasas, were another kind of creatures. Shining, aethereal beings ruled by a god (Freyr, Kubera or Manawyddan), opposite to their counterparts the dark underworld "gnomes", like Black Elves and Rakshasas (these mixed with PIE concept of man-eating giants) had their ruler (Ravana, Bran, Surtur).
Explaining: Freyr and Surtur was Ragnarok rivals. Kubera and Ravana are half-brothers; Bran and Manawyddan/Manannan are brothers. The "bright god" had a magic ship(Freyr, Manawyddan,Kubera), three legs (Manawyddan,Kubera) and a flying Horse (Freyr, Manawyddan). 
 
Joao SL
Rio
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Odegard
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Dumezil, Trito and Athena: MY IE main Gods

 
Three *ALBHEWES. Elves, right? I've suggested this means 'foreign trader/metal worker'. Not gods, not even minor demi-gods, but folklore characters, pixies, faeries, of that sort -- magical beings, not divine beings.
 
Mark.
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Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Dumezil, Trito and Athena: MY IE main Gods

1) *Pexwr-Genos can't explain Fjo"rgynn. Fjo"rgynn <*Perkunos
2) I don't believe *Eryomon = *Manus.

3) Those are my opinions about main PIE Gods (The PIE names are arbitrary)

*DYE:U "Sky-Father, All-Father" < Zeus, Jupiter, Odinn, Dyau/Kashyapa>
*DYU:NI: "Sky-Mother, All-Mother <Dione, Juno, Aditi, Frigg>  { In my
opinion there's no Earth-Heaven couple in PIE mythology - this concept was
later influence of Sumerian/Western Asia mythology}
their children:
*PERKUNOS/PERAUNOS "Thunder-God" <Zeus,Jupiter, Thorr (Odinn), Indra,
Perunu>

*WA:TNOS "Terrible Sovereign, one-eyed; Master of Beast-men" <Zeus, Jupiter
Stator, Varuna, Odinn, Lugh>
*MITROS "Peacemaker, one-handed; Justice and law" <Zeus(Apollon), Mitra,
Tyr, Nuada>

*ERYOMEN "Protector of Community; Weddings, Births" <Aryaman, Balder,
Eleuthia (female), Juventas(female)>
*BHAGOS "Destiny, Blind" <Bhaga, Ho"dr, Terminus>

*RUDROS "God of vengeance, Health and Pestilence" <Rudra, Apollon, Vali>
*WISNUS "Savior of Gods; Giant; Space" <Vishnu, Vidarr, Herakles/Briareos, Vidarr, Lugh>
*EGNIS "Fire; trickster; multiform" <Agni, Loki, Prometheus
(Hermes,Hephaistos)>
*WE:YUS "Wind; violent; horse-bringer, super-strength" <Vayu, Poseidaon,
Thorr>
*LA:TRI: "The Night Goddess"  <Ra:tri, Leto (Nyx)>
*AUSO:S "The Dawn Goddess" <Mater Matuta, Eos, Ushas, *Austron->
*SWEL "Sun, all-seeing, all-hearing" <Surya, Sol, Apollon (Helios),
Heimdallr (!) >

Other gods I can't deduce the relationship:
*APOM NEPOT "The Child of Waters; Master of Subterraneous Waters" <Apam
Napat, Neptunus, Poseidaon, Mimir>
*? "God of Time; First to Born, first to die <Heimdallr, Bhishma, Lugh,
Akhiles (epic doublet), Diana>
Three *ALBHEWES "The Heavenly Artisans <Kyklopes, Rbhus, Goibniu and 2
brothers; Ivaldir's children>
*? "Bright God, three-legged, magic ship, flying horse, master of air elves" <Freyr, Manawyddan, Manannan, Kubera>
*? "Dark God, giant; Underworld, master of subterraneous elves" <Surtur,
Bran, Ravana>
*? "God who lose his head; wise " <Mimir, Bran, Daksha/Ganesha>
*LOUKSNA "THe Moon (female or male? androgynous?), Triple Goddess?" <Selene, Artemis,  Luna, Durga>
*WRTA:S" "The three Old Women, Fate" <Parcae(Vorta), Moirai, Nornir(Urd),
Three-folded Durga?, Badb?, Rozhenitsa>

I want to know about your opinions...


Joao SL
Rio