From: Mark Odegard
----- Original Message -----From: João Simões Lopes FilhoSent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 10:46 PMSubject: Re: [tied] Poseidon1) I think Demeter has no water-symbolism. His name must be from De: "earth". The alternation between DE: and GE: could be explained as *GDE / *DGE < IE root *DhGhEM "earth" through a non-Greek IE language.2) The Mycenic PO-SE-DA-O implies a form *Poseidahon, not Poseidan. So, the suffix must be *-dahon (<*dason?)JoaoSL----- Original Message -----From: Mark OdegardSent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:32 PMSubject: Re: [tied] Poseidon----- Original Message -----From: João Simões Lopes FilhoSent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 3:44 PMSubject: [tied] PoseidonA suddenly idea occurred to me:Bernal proposes Poseidaon < *P- Sidon, which doesn't convince me.My idea:POSEIDAON < *NEPOSEIDAON < *NEPOT-SEIDAON, changed by association with POTIS.I mean: the "mix" of IE *Nepot with an obscure *Sidaon or Tsidaon.Joao SLRioEdgar Polome, in the Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture, 'Fire in Water', p. 203 briefly mentions the possibility. It would be a compound (I think) of *potis (lord, master), and a reflex of the *da- word, the water word that gives all those Black Sea rivers their names. Something similar is sometimes claimed for water-mother, Da-mater > Demeter. But all of this is rather speculative.The etymology of Roman Neptune is in here too.A myth, "Child/Grandson/Nephew of the Water", or, "Fire-in-Water" is imputed PIE status. EIEC's transcription is *h2epom nepots. The water deity, be it male or female, is firey, living in the water. A qualified hero -- one in the nationalistic mold -- has to somehow approach the deity and obtain/recover certains powers or talismans of political legitimacy. Theseus tossing the ring in the sea, then visiting the court of Amphitrite would be the Greek reflex.Mark.