Re: [tied] Athena, Tritos and the painfully obvious origins of Ind

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 3180
Date: 2000-08-16

Yes, the Common European word for "cat"came from Latin CATTUS which is of
African origin (Romans brought the cat from Egypt). But Latin has
FELES/FELIS, which could be cognate with OHG belihha,bilih (dormouse),
Russian belka (squirrel), Welsh bele /*beleg- (marten). Greek had AIELOUROS,
which can be cognate with PIE *wewer- "squirrel, dormouse, ferret, weasel,
little tree-cilmbing fur mammal" (*weworo- > *eoro- > -*ouro; or *waiwero- >
aiero- > -aielo (dissimilation by -ouRos).
Had the Germanic languages a name for the wild cat? And the Balto-Slavic?

Joao SL
Rio
----- Original Message -----
From: Catherine Hagemann <chagemann@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Athena, Tritos and the painfully obvious origins of
IndoEuropean


> Regarding the possible origins of the word for"cat".Perhaps there was a
word for the larger,wild cat that inhabited the areas under discussion,but
no word for the smaller,domesticated pet that we know of today.The cat(felis
domesticus)was first domesticated in Southeastern Asia,in 7000 BCE.Perhaps
the word for this animal was developed later?.
> Catherine
> Glen Gordon wrote:
> >
> > Joao, whose name is John em Portugues, states:
> > >No, unfortunately I'm not familiar with Mallory. Could you give me more
> > >details about *Tritos?
> >
> > (Shock!) Well, Mallory does mention this divinity. I was just at the
library
> > today but I was expending my energy towards crushing John's arguements
for
> > an Anatolian entry for Pre-IE - those results will surface shortly :)
> >
> > What Mallory says about him isn't very much, maybe a couple of
paragraphs.
> > I'll check it tomorrow. Promise. Unless others have the source
immediately
> > at hand?
> >
> > >The cat. It's strange that IE doesn't have a word for "cat", although
>wild
> > >cats are so common through Eurasia. Unless the word *luks- for >"lynx"
> > >means wild cat too...
> >
> > I'm sure the word is out there somewhere, lurking about in the deep
bush,
> > ready to pounce at any moment upon its unsuspecting linguist.
> >
> > >I think the Thunderer God *Perauno-/*Tn@... brought by IE was reflected
in
> > >Zeus or Poseidon, in different regions - different >syncretisms. (Could
> > >*perkw- the explanation of "Perseus" ?)
> >
> > I'm confused about this name. Mallory mentions *Perkuno- if I remember.
You
> > have *Perauno-... Hmmm. And what was he connected to... (Think,
think...)
> > Oh, yes, Mallory mentioned a connection with a Norse god named
"Fjorgynn" or
> > something? Ring a bell? Was it the mother of Thor? Do you know anything
> > about how he ties in with IE myth? How's he different from *Dye:us?
> >
> > As for Perseus... dunno. Here's a blind suggestion to arouse ire amongst
> > those who know better:
> >
> > IE *PerkWnos
> > Hellenic *Pertenos (*kW > *t)
> > *Perteos (loss of intervocalic *n)
> > Perseus (palatalized *t > s)
> >
> > >Poseidon surely also have a "mark" of *A:pm Nepo:t, master of
> > > >subterraneous waters. (I can't find an etymology for his name: Bernal
> > > >mentioned *Pr-Sidon, but I'm not convinced. Mycenean tablets spell
> > >Po-se-da-o (*Poseidahon)
> > ><*Poseidas/Poteidas? Poti-Dan "De's husband" is just a folk
>etymology...
> >
> > Yes, good ol' "Grandson of the Waters". But wait... erh... *Poti-Dan
looks
> > more like *Poti-Da:nu which means "Master of the Waters". Now doesn't
that
> > make more sense?
> >
> > Who's De? (This isn't some Celtic thing is it?)
> >
> > - gLeN
> >
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