From: Marc Verhaegen
Message: 3093
Date: 2000-08-12
>I wroteYes, or earlier Out-of-Africa movements?
>> >Linear Pottery didn't come from the Middle East. They developed in
>> >situ from a process of neolithicisation of pre-existing mesolithic
>> >cultures which were in contact with Starcevo-Koros culture which
>> >definitely did come from NW Anatolia. There is no link further
>> >East until 10,500 BCE with the early Natufian.
>
>Marc replied
>> Thanks, John. At that time the Black Sea was a much smaller lake
>> (no Bosporus). C-S's 1st component has its centre far south in the
>> Middle East,so probably LP does not correlate with it. If anything,
>> C-S's 4th component could correlate: S-Balkan & W-Anatolia (but
>> also S-Italy)?
>
>There is an alternative explanation. If the mesolithic "Nostratics"
>came out of Africa, as Glen and I suppose (one thing we do agree on)
>then having the first component in the way it does could be referring
>to that!
>I wrote (John)I meant: does the 1st component measure the neolithic settlements?
>> >It is interesting that C-S leaves out of his European data the
>> >Sardinians who are completely different from anyone else.
>> >Sardinian settlement began about 9,000 BCE, long before the
>> >neolithic settlements from the east (measured by 1st component).
>Marc asked
>> Does the 1st component measure this? then it should have its centre
>> in Anatolia rather than in the Middle East?
>No it doesn't. In fact Sardinians are much further removed fromWhat other populations do they resemble? African ones?
>Western Europeans than the later are from people of the Middle East,
>the Balkans or Eastern Europe. So much so that C-S was forced in his
>History and Geography of Human Genetics to have a completely separate
>discussion just on the Sardinians. In fact Sardinians are further
>removed genetically than are the Basques, whose language suggests
>that they are the representative of the aboriginal Europeans.
>What does this mean? The most parsimonious explanation is that thereSome questions:
>were two waves out of Africa. The first, the early one, shown most
>by Sardinians but with minor echoes in the Basques and Caucasians,
>coming out 40,000 years ago with the Upper Paleolithic Peoples
>(Aurignancians and Gravetian cultures).
>The second and much more recent one,Puzzling. I believe Corsica & Sardinia were connected during the glacials?
>associated with bows and arrows, and microliths (from Africa) and
>domestication of the dog (in the Middle East), associated with the
>coming of the Nostratics. This could be the one measured by C-S's
>first component (which being more recent, and being reinforced by the
>coming of agriculture, shows up so much the stronger).
>I wrote
>> >Their closest affiliations are with the Viskayans and with the
>> >Caucasians to the East - suggesting the Dene-Caucasian hypothesis
>> >may be proven genetically.
>
>Marc replied
>> Yes, the islands of Crete, Sardinia, Corsica etc. are "forgotten"
>> on his maps!
>
>Corsica in his data shows itself to be close to the Ligurian Italian
>coast and the Bouches de Rhone. Sicily is intermediate between
>Messina and Tunisia, Crete is intermediate between Anatolia and
>Greece. Only Sardinia sticks out like a sore thumb. Regards John