Re: [tied] Re: Gimbutas.

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 3043
Date: 2000-08-10

Marc, John, Mark and all,

If one accepts a Central European homeland, an important question arises: what is the origin of Greek and the Pontic branches (Indo-Iranian, Thracian, Getic, Armenian)? Max Baldia seems to believe that the Funnel Beaker people (I'll be using the transparent abbreviation "FB" rather than "TRB") can be fully identified with the IEs; but if so, we must assume that their Pontic contemporaries (most importantly the Pit Grave and Tripolye cultures) were non-IE, and that the IEisation of the north Pontic area took place not earlier than the CW (Corded Ware/Battle Axe) period. It’s true that artifacts with CW characteristics are found as far east as the Aral Sea, but what the archaeological record suggests is the existence of well-functioning trade routes rather than ‘demic expansion’ as Cavalli-Sforza would put it. If the Indo-Iranians are not CW migrants from Central Europe, who the heck are they?

The most interesting alternative is that IE-speakers were the dominant element in *both* the FB and the steppe cultures. In other words, the pastoralist ‘Kurgan’ people and the sedentary ‘Old Europeans’ were linguistically related. The detailed scenario would be like this:

5500-5300 BC. Groups of PIE-speaking LP (Linear Pottery) farmers migrate from the Middle Danube Valley into Central Europe and establish a network of settlements along the loess belt of the N European Plain (from the Rhein to the Vistula). The linguistic ancestors of the Anatolians stay behind. Perhaps they form the eastern branch of the Danubian LP, or merge

with the Vinča culture more to the south (which might also be associated with the Proto-Tyrrhenians).

5300-4500 BC. LP settlers slowly colonise new cultivable areas, expanding both NW and E. They reach the Netherlands at the western end; in the east they penetrate Ukraine along the Dniester Valley and arrive on the Black Sea. By 4500 BC there are already considerable cultural and dialectal differences between the two ends of the LP belt. The eastward expansion of farming peters out as it reaches the steppe, but adaptation to a seminomadic way of life with emphasis on pastoralism enables some of the eastern IEs to venture into the steppe lands. They assimilate trans-Caucasian cultural influences that have already reached the Lower Dnieper (Srednij Stog), and produce the Pit Grave cultures.

The easternmost avant-garde reaches the Volga-Ural region and then enters Central Asia, producing a chain of closely related cultures in Kazakhstan and the Upper Yenisey Valley. They can be tentatively identified with the archaic linguistic lineage leading on to Proto-Tocharian. The more sedentary cultures emerging close to the Dniester estuary (Tripolye, possibly also Cucuteni and allied) gravitate towards Moldova and the Romanian coast. Ancestors of the Balto-Slavs occupy the forest zone on the Middle Dnieper (Dnieper-Donetz?), absorbing the local Mesolithic cultures. They live in some kind of cultural and economic symbiosis with the pastoralists of the steppe and remain linguistically close to them. At a later date the Satem palatalisation spreads in that area but doesn’t reach the eastern (Proto-Tocharian) and southwestern (Proto-Greek/Phrygian) fringes of east Indoeuropia. Still later, the Proto-Balto-Slavs and the Proto-Indo-Iranians remain close enough to share the Ruki innovation to the exclusion of the minor Satemic groups of the NW Pontic area (ancestors of the Thracians, Armenians, Albanians etc.).

4500-3200 BC. The Mesolithic populations of S Scandinavia, Denmark and N Germany have already borrowed some elements of their Neolithic neighbours’ culture (e.g. pottery). More advanced farming methods allow the western IEs to expand to non-loess soils. Eventually their colonisation reaches the North Sea/Baltic region and the relatively dense non-IE substrate is assimilated linguistically (its traces can be seen in Germanic). The FB (Funnel Beaker) culture, combining Danubian (Lengyel) elements, megalithic and northern pre-Neolithic traditions (Ertebølle, etc.) with local LP transformations (Michelsberg), expands all over the Plain, attracting also the Proto-Balto-Slavic farmers in the east into its sphere of influence (shared Northern vocabulary). Wheeled vehicles appear during that period, and the domestication of the horse in the steppe cultures stimulates further brilliant inventions in vehicular transport. These innovations and the associated vocabulary spread like bushfire among the IEs. The eastern IE cultures of the Srednij Stog/Pit Grave tradition undergo their own transformations (evolving into the Catacomb, Poltavka and Andronovo cultures) and occasionally attempt to penetrate Pannonia and the W Pontic coastal area.

The long career of the FB culture terminates in a sudden socioeconomic collapse ca. 3200 (caused chiefly by the anthropogenic deforestation and denudation of the settled areas, aggravated by the Sub-Boreal climatic reversal). The population decreases and shifts economically towards cattle and sheep pastoralism (as already pioneered by the Globular Amphora culture well before the crisis). Incursions of steppe element are possible at that time especially in the eastern part of the Plain.

3200-2000 BC. As a new equilibrium emerges, the CW (Corded Ware/Battle Axe) cultures establish themselves all over North and Central Europe, developing distinctive regional variants and expanding where possible. Bell Beaker influence in the west and various local transformations, accelerated by the advent of Bronze Age technologies, give rise to distinct groups that will in due time diversify linguistically into the Celts, Italo-Veneti, Illyrians, Germani, and Balto-Slavs (plus a number of minor branches that became extinct in prehistoric or early historical times). By 2000 BC the Proto-Iranian nomads establish their dominance in the steppe, forcing many other groups to move and causing a series of great circum-Pontic migrations involving also their distant Proto-Anatolian cousins and the latter’s Proto-Tyrrhenian neighbours. As new IE groups move into the Carpathian region and the Balkan lands, Anatolians refugees enter Asia Minor (presumably in two waves at least). Some Proto-Indic tribes cross the Caucasus into the Iranian Plateau ... But the rest is documented history.

Piotr

 

 

----- Original Message -----
From: John Croft
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:26 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Gimbutas.

Marc wrote

> Piotr:  As for Corded Ware, its origin is certainly more complex
than in Childe's and Gimbutas's theories: some steppe influence, but
also continuous development at old TRB sites. There may be a grain of
truth in the élite-dominance scenario, but in most cases an
élite
outnumbered by the locals doesn't manage to change their language.
>
> Marc:  Do you think so? IMO the upper class can & does impose their
language, at least after several generations. This is what we saw in
Gallia (Latin replaced Celtic up to the Rhine, later the invading
Germanic tribes replaced Latin in N & E Gallia up to line that
connects the capitals of the bishoprics). Brussels 100 years ago was
Dutch-speaking except for the palace & government (the bourgeoisie,
as
in all cities in N-Belgium, spoke both, but wrote in French), now
it's
mostly French-speaking, although in other N-Belgian cities the
French-speaking upper class has disappeared. Only in England the
Normans did not impose their language, but they were a very small
minority. In France, French replaces all other dialects & languages.
In Germany, Low-German is disappearing. In the Netherlands, Frysian
has almost disappeared. In Great Brittain, Welsh is disappearing. The
best example is perhaps that even Ireland speaks English.

Elite dominance superimposing an adstratum is in fact quite common. 
Sumerians did it in southern Iraq over Proto-Eurphratean. 
Indo-European Greeks managed the same in the Aegean over Pelasgians
and Eteo-Cretians.  Anatolian speaking Neshites (Hittites) and
Luwians
managed it over Khattic speakers, as did the later Turks managed to
do
it over Greeks and Galicians in Anatolia again.


> The question is language replacement, and just how and when it can
occur. There are two basic patterns.
>
> 1. With elite dominance, the usual pattern is for the elite
language
to be replaced by that of the common folk. Only rarely does it
replace
the autochthonous language.
>
> 2. With migrations/invasions, the original language may persist; it
may replace other languages, or co-exist for a very long time indeed.
>
> The dominance of Latin, and its replacement of Gallic is a case of
#2. Latin was indeed the elite language, but the Gauls were a
conquered people ruled by a Latin-speaking elite for close to 500
years. Latin was the chancery language of an empire. Something
similar
happened in Iberia; Vasconic did survive in its mountain fastness.
>
> In Ireland, English has been the elite language, the chancery
language for as long as English has been the elite language of
England. Irish has persisted, but is indeed threatened. In North
Wales, Welsh is flourishing, so I'm told, and seems completely
unthreatened, notwithstanding English dominance for a longer period
than Ireland has suffered it.
>
> The big problem with the Gimbutas model is explaining how an
IE-speaking Kurgan culture imposed its language throughout northern
Europe. It's easier to see the Steppe-derived intruders losing their
language. But for this to be true, you have to say IE moved from the
west and/or north and imposed itself onto elements of the steppe --
elements that became Indo-Iranian etc.

Steppe derived invaders may have lost their language in the case of
Fatyanova culture, spreading throughout the Finno-Ugric realm.

It is partly a case of the relevant numerical numbers.  In Northern
Europe, neolithic farming was more recent and the activity was more
marginal (hunting was still practiced).  The invaded population
densities would have been lower whcih with a higher number of
incursive "steppe" elements, and their continued reinforcement
(Kurgan
Waves II and III - associated with climatic reversals) IE elements
would eventually predominate.  We don't need a "one king hit" theory
here.

Regards

John