From: John Croft
> > Yes, if your mother was Jewish at the time of your birth, youare
> > But one can also convert to Judaism, and it is conversion, at
> the upper classes, which is the present case. The child of aJew.
> > converted Jewish mother is as Jewish by birth as any other
> AFAIK, Judaism is mainly the belief that Jews are the chosen
> thus, to a Jew, the conversion to Judaism would seem as an atmeptto
> to the chosen people. The Jews didn't willingly let others convertto
> Judaism, and there weren't many people willing to convert.This is not strictly true. There were periods in time in which
> > The Khazars are obscure, and would be virtually forgotten was itnot for
> the religious connection. While their language is said to beTurkic,
> > dealing with Steppe peoples, language and ethnicity have to becarefully
> looked at. The Khazars certainly did not meet the usual expectationof
> omadicwas also
> > Turkics wandering west, but were rather sedentary. Their center
> the Volga-North Caucusus, which raises additional questions. Thisregion
> > is an ethno-linguistic goulash. Language replacement would seemto be a
> factor here. Turkic may have been their chancery language/linguafranca.
> It seems that the Khazars themselves were nomads who settled down
> region, and, having fought off the Alans and the pressing Arabs,established
> a thriving Caganate. However, late they fell victims to the Arabicthe
> onslaught, and were pressed north into the Volga delta. And then
> who were persecuted in the Islam states, came there.Jews have been rarely persecuted in medieval Islam. As dhimmi
>The power wentto
> offsrpings of Khazar men, and Jewish women, because such a childwould be a
> Khazar (which gave all the advantages as a son of a Khazar noble),and a Jew
> by virtue of being a son of a Jewess. The real Khazars, who had nodealings
> with Jews, just didn't pop up.The Khazar ruling class were "real" Khazars. By the time of
> > for the religious issue, it is to be noted they fought off theIslamics
> near the Caspian; they also seem to have not been on the best termswith the
> > Byzantines. Instead of Christianity or Islam, they seem to havechosen
> Judaism as a way to keeping apart from either. It should also bestressed,
> Imonolithic thing
> > think, is that normative Rabbinical Judiasm was not the
> it is today.delta)
> AFAIK The Khazar people (not the nobiltiy, but the herders of the
> retained the original Steppe religion (we don't know whether it was"choose"
> paganistic or the monetheistic Tengri-khan belief). THEY didn't
> Judaism, they fell victims to the Jewish rule.There was not much "victimisation" here. Certainly no persecution or
> > There is a lot of controversy here. It's a fascinating question,though.
> Yes, it is
> I really don't know of any Western scientists who worked on the
> in Russia L. Gumilev and M. Artamonov are worth mentioning.Thanks for the references.
> This is my first post, so sorry for any slips ,definitely)
> As far as my knowledge of the Khazar Caganate (not Khanate,
> lasts, the Khazars were a people akin to the Mongols. Theyestablished a
> powerful state around the 8th century in the North Caucasus andlower Volga.
> However, the country was subject to an influx of Jews due to itsstrategic
> position, and finally the state authority passed to the Jews.From the early 700 there was almost 30 years of continuous warfare