Re: [TIED] Re: Dennis on Glen (was Hebrew and Arabic)

From: Marc Verhaegen
Message: 2579
Date: 2000-05-29

>>Glen Sumerian was not spoken in Central Mesopotamia.

>I'm sure you mean that _Hurrian_ wasn't spoken in Central Mesopotamia
(until later historical times perhaps), which would be a correct statement.
Since you confuse NWC with NEC, have suggested a ludicrously late date for
Proto-Semitic and have made other blunt errors on your map in terms of
placement and time, your arguement is falling on deaf ears.

I'm reading T.Krispijn etc.1999 "De talen van het oude Nabije Oosten" Ex
Oriente Lux, Leiden. They say the central area of Sumerian (3200-2000 BC as
spoken language) was South Mesopotamia (South Sumerian: Uruk, Urn Umma...,
North Sumerian: Nippur, Isin...), but Sumerian texts are found in
Mesopotamia, Syria, Palestina, Egypt, Anatolia, Elam... Hurrian
(2350-1000 BC) is found in North Mesopatamia (Urkesh...), later also Nineve,
Alalach=NW-Syria, Mari=Mid-Euphrate.


>>Akkadian was spoken in Kish, so that the first Dynasty of Kish all have
Akkadian (not sumerian) names, Akkadian was also spoken therefore in
Southern Mesopotamia,

>Of course. Akkadian, coming from the north and west, held its grip and
became popular. EncBritt mentions that Sumerian was either endangered or
practically moribund by 2000 BCE.

Krispijn etc. say first Akkadian names in Sumerian texts were found in South
Mesopotamia after 2400 BC Akkadian texts are known from Ebla=Syria & whole
Mesopotamia.

Marc Verhaegen
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>>Hurrian is, even you agree, a NE Caucasian language.

>What books do you read at all. One can state that Hurrian is _related_ to
NEC, while _not_ part of the NEC family, and get away with it. Your claim is
far more contraversial and not generally accepted. - gLeN