Re: [cybalist] Linguistic Mathematics?

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From: "Gerry Reinhart-Waller" <waluk@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [cybalist] Linguistic Mathematics?

Alani and Alans are alternative English versions of ancient
"Alanoi". Both plurals are correct and refer to the same
people.

Piotr


Thanks Piotr. Your post was informative as usual and most
of what you
say was also told to me by Alekseev. I do hope John Croft
will add more
information. It's becoming very clear that I need to follow
all the
available clues in attempting to trace my family heritage.
Did you know
the Alani became the latter day Alans people?

Gerry

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Reinhart-Waller" <waluk@...>
> To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [cybalist] Linguistic Mathematics?
>
> Gerry,
>
> Joking apart: what Scythians and Sarmatians had in common
> was steppe nomadism and the fact that they were speakers
of
> North Iranian dialects. The Scythians had been subdued by
> and partly assimilated into the Sarmatians by the 3rd/2nd
> century BC. That was the end of their hegemony in the
Pontic
> steppes, but not of their historical career. There was
still
> a Scythian state in the Crimea, and in the 2nd century BC
> some Scythians tribes invaded the Parthian Empire,
Bactria,
> Afghanistan and finally northern India, remaining there
for
> five centuries or so. I bet John Croft will be able to
tell
> you more about this episode.
>
> Both "Scythian" and "Sarmatians" are actually conventional
> designations for large leagues of Iranian tribes (possibly
> with a substantial admixture of non-Iranians). Among those
> known as Sarmatian were the Alani, Roxolani and Iazyges.
> Apart from dominating the north Pontic region they
colonised
> Pannonia, settling on the very doorstep of the Roman
Empire.
>
> In the third century the Pontic Sarmatians were partly
> overpowered by the Goths, who had arrived from Poland; a
> little later the remaining ones were driven westwards by
the
> Huns. Some of the Sarmatians sought refuge under the
> dominion of Rome in the Danubian provinces (Iranian speech
> communities lingered on in Hungary until the beginning of
> the 15th century), or allied themselves with various
> Germanic groups in their raids across Europe (and even
into
> northern Africa with the Vandals). Some of the Alani
> wandered eastwards; they settled in Caucasia and their
> dialect (Alanian) gave rise to modern Ossetic, the only
> extant North Iranian language. Ossetic, though strongly
> influenced by various non-Iranian languages, is the key to
> the analysis of whatever fragmentary documentation we have
> of Scythian and Sarmatian vocabulary. You could say that
> Ossetians are latterday Sarmatians.
>
> Piotr

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