Odp: Uralic and IE loans. Did Uralic even coexist with (Pre-)IE?

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 1474
Date: 2000-02-13

 
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From: Glen Gordon
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 3:20 AM
Subject: [cybalist] Uralic and IE loans. Did Uralic even coexist with (Pre-)IE?


>           b.. 3. Genetic relationship: I regard it as very likely >for 
>this particular pair of families, mostly because of the shared 
> >morphological patterns of the kind you cite in your posting.

But you voted for "coincidence" in the end? I'm confused. I was under the 
impression that this vote was on "the likelihood of Uralic and IE genetic 
relationship", not on what had been presented by Aikio, which even I have to 
say is nothing more than satem borrowings for the most part and unflattering 
for the IndoUralic hypothesis.
I voted for coincidence, genetic relationship AND IE(IIr)-U areal contacts as the three most important factors accounting for the observed similarity among them. There is no logical contradiction here and no need for you to be confused. I just wanted to emphasise that IE/U connections are a rather complex affair. If, say, FU has more loanwords from IE than genuine reflexes of inherited proto-Indo-Uralic lexemes, that doesn't mean that the borrowing hypothesis is in any way superior to the IU hypothesis. The two are independent explanations. English has more French/Latinate loanwords than directly inherited IE ones, and yet its relation to Romance is genetic as well.
 
Piotr