Re: Odp: Odp: girls

From: Ivanovas/Milatos
Message: 70
Date: 1999-10-12

˙ţ<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=unicode" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2014.210" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thank you for the explicit answer, Pjotr, I suspected something like this. So the Iyaya would be something like 'the (female) making one' and not put together from two same parts. The first one would be the 'making', followed by the female suffix. I wondered only, if the 'making' part (which is, in a certain way similar to 'birthing') might be somehow connected with the female typical ending.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And I knew they called Hyoscyamos 'sow-bean', the poison it contains can even actually produce animal visions. The point is only: the plant has no connection whatsoever with beans (the seeds are tiny as poppy seeds), so my question came about if the whole name may have been changed by Greek speakers from something remotely similar they couldn't pronounce, by this including the folk-etymology into the word. There is a nice example for this kind of process for another ancient Anatolian plant name: terebinthos, the terebinth tree, is in modern Crete called 'antrami(/y)thia', probably via an - unintelligible - 'tramithia' and then an added 'a' to develop a meaning like 'man myth tree'.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And I am quite certain that I'll soon be able to prove mythologically the connection between Hyakinthos, the old Minoan god, a youth who had to die to illustrate a part of the cycle of fertility (the time when the connected flower, nowadays called iris cretica, wilts away in few days because the heat of the sun - Apollo's 'star' - turns summer-hot) and one of the main figures of the Eleusinian Mysteries, Iakchos. Folk etymologically his name was understood as illustrating the cries of sorrow for the dying youth, a strange connection with Hyakinthos, supposed to have the name - folk etymology again - for the same cry of sorrow written on the petals of the flower (with a little phantasy you could see the two letters there...). And then there is the strange fact that henbane was an Apollo-flower and might well have been used to induce trances in the old times (as other poisonous nightshade plants, belladonna, stramonium, mandragora etc.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What do you think of these coincidences?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sabine</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>